GJ said 1 day later

Sounds like your Mac ate your cookie! :)

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Geoff said 1 day later

Na it's my PC at home. I love how without the ID and guessing at the URL, I cannot find our league. Brilliant.

About as good as that dumb submit button.

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GJ said 1 day later

Here's how I find my leagues at ESPN. You tell me what's so freaking hard.

Step 1. Surf over to http://www.espn.go.com.
Step 2. Log in, unless you use cookies and it remembers you.
Step 3. Click on Fantasy, then Fantasy Hockey. This takes you to the main Fantasy Hockey page.
Step 4. Click on the Baumbach league shown in the right side toolbar.

Done! Whew, my hand is out of breath from all that clicking! Not.

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GJ said 1 day later

And I bet, when I go check tonight after I log out of work, it'll magically work fine, too. :)

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Geoff said 1 day later

I'll check again tonight on my computer, but that right tool bar your referring to said, " 2009 Registration has ended"...there was no league like their usually is. Perhaps they got a ton of complaints and fixed it.

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GJ said 1 day later

Of course, you make it sound like Yahoo never screwed up. Perhaps you just didn't see all the screw-ups that I got to watch as commissioner.

One thing they must fix is the minimum goalie rule. If I can't implement that for next year, we will be moving.

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Geoff said 2 days later

Yeah I never really had any problems.

GJ said about 4 hours later

That's cause you got smoked so bad in Ticket to Ride by Darcy. LOL!

Was great seeing everyone, too--and looking forward to more zany fun in a few more weeks!

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Geoff said about 14 hours later

Hey GJ, let me know about that Microwave too. Color and measurements if you could (if it's white :)

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Darcy said 1 day later

Geoff--here are the specs on the microwave.
It is a white Maytag model number MMV4184AAW. The outer dimensions are(WxHxD)29 15/16" x 16 7/16" x 15 5/8". 1000W cooking power,1.8 cubic foot.
If you need any other info let us know.

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Marc said 1 day later

I agree Thanksgiving was great! The drive back home was not, spending 4 hours in PA is bad enough, but 6 is outrageous. Oh well...I'm gonna do it again for Christmas. :)

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Geoff said 1 day later

Yup it will fit. Let me know what you want for it.

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GJ said 1 day later

Originally went for $220, I think. Based on current prices, this kind of thing could be had for about $200. Given that it's a couple of years old and obviously out of warranty, how about $100 and obviously, if you find that it dies inside of the first six months, I'll refund you the money. That work?

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Geoff said 2 days later

fine with me. Do you know if this puppy sensor cooks? Just curious. Our microwave now puts up a fight just to open...beyond having an interpreter to read it. Is this something you can fit on the ride home for Christmas, or will we have to figure out a different time for delivery?

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GJ said 2 days later

Check out the manual here.

It does sensor cooking, but it's more complicated than my current one. As in, my current microwave doesn't care what I'm cooking, and works. This one requires you to kind of specify what you're cooking, and the sensor takes over from there.

We can fit it in the vehicle for Christmas. Be warned that it is quite large, and will likely fill up most of your trunk (assuming it fits in the g8), and also likely be a pain in the back (literally) lifting it back out of there.

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Geoff said 2 days later

not a problem. I will likely go back to Rochester for a few days and return for New Years, so I should be able to haul it out.

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GJ said 2 days later

Just be sure to get some help getting it out of the car, and for putting it up. It's a big heavy beastie.

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Marc said 2 days later

I'll be around doing nothing, so I can always make a trip out to Rochester with ya Geoff and help you take it out and install it.

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Geoff said 3 days later

excellent. If we bring a bat, we could even beat my old microwave up. :)

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Kristen said 7 days later

My friend Matt just put mine in all by his lonesome, I have no idea how he managed that one. Word to the wise--if it has metal braces to screw into the wall first, be forewarned that they are very sharp!!!

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Geoff said 7 days later

Perhaps GJ is just a wimp. :)

Geoff said about 21 hours later

So has the space station been largely a failure? I know they've had all sorts of problems, but then again, it is the first "space station."

I'd rather throw my money away on things like this. It's progression I think. Eventually we will have to leave Earth for our species to survive. I mean, the sun is destined to gobble us up in 4 billion years or so, what will we do then? :)

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Steve said 5 days later

I'm with Geoff, I support scientific studies. Granted, we haven't learned much about what NASA and company has learned from the space station, but I do know that a lot has been learned about developing all sorts of materials for space flight. Parsla and I have been wanting to go see a shuttle launch, unfortunately this crappy economy has put that on hold. We were going to go down and watch STS-126 launch in November, but the economy downfall and our risk of loosing jobs kept us from spending the money to go down to see it. Hopefully, some time in the future we'll be able to see it before they end all shuttle flights (only 8 or 9 more flights are approved right now before the shuttles are retired).

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GJ said 5 days later

Hey now--don't you even start claiming I don't support scientific studies. I back more than the two of you combined. :)

What is the ISS besides a colossal waste of money and resources? What important science is being done there that wasn't done on Mir by the Soviets years ago?

MORE IMPORTANTLY....what science is being thrown away for lack of funding? Do either of you have any idea what NASA's budgets look like? Do you realize just how many programs have been shut down during the lifetime of the ISS just so they can keep the lights on in that thing?

Here's my position: dump all manned flight for the moment. Concentrate on developing robotic repair "droids" to maintain our expensive satellites like Hubble, and expand on the rover programs already in place on Mars. Start work on a mass driver program--the first step to mining things like asteroids and other rocky bodies. With all the freed up monies, we could shrink the NASA budget and still get more *real* science done. Can't beat that, can we?

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Geoff said 6 days later

I thought they were dumping Hubble and releasing a new eye in the sky next year?

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GJ said 6 days later

You're referring to the James Webb Space Telescope, scheduled for launch in 2010 (hopefully). The Hubble is at the end of its service life--they're currently trying to keep it afloat for another year or two so they don't have to live without this kind of space telescope until the Webb gets up there.

Of course, guess what...the Webb will orbit much higher than the Hubble, and thus cannot be serviced by the Shuttle. They toyed with robotic repair for Hubble, but ended up using the Shuttle. No such luck this time around...they'll need to either ensure their Shuttle replacement can orbit higher, or use a robotic repair craft.

Geoff said about 1 hour later

I'm going to try swapping memory out and see if that fixes the issue. I'll let you know if I have any luck with that aspect. Let me know if you have any other suggestions.

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GJ said about 3 hours later

Spontaneous resets are caused by a fault in the CPU. These can be caused by a) faulty CPU b) faulty memory c) operating at too-high temperatures d) operating at too-low voltages.

Temperature is easy to rule out--your motherboard probably has temp sensors for the CPU at least, maybe a case temp too. Be sure it's within operating level after a heavy load on the CPU (after a stress test, for example).

Too-low voltage--happens if you try to run a heavy duty graphics card and a sucky power supply, or from overclocking improperly. If you have a no-name power supply, even a 400 or 500 watt one, it may not be able to supply enough current on the 12V and 5V lines to drive the motherboard.

Memory and CPU faults can be detected with stress testing. Get one of those fancy boot CDs with them all on it and go to town.

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Geoff said about 3 hours later

Power Supply is good (500 watt Enermax, top of the line model)...been running it 4 years with no problem. Been swapping my memories and still having the same problem. I am trying to format one of my 200 GB HD's in Windows and it crashes every time when I am nearly finished with it. Not sure how stressful that is. Been monitoring my temperature levels and they are running about 55C (with case open and crashing). Runs at around 65C with case closed and doing stuff on the computer.

Just updated BIOS to latest update. We'll see if that does anything.

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GJ said about 12 hours later

OK, good power supply, cross that off the list.

Geoff, formatting a hard drive doesn't stress the CPU or memory--if anything, they're idle during this operation. Are you only having the problem while formatting a drive? Does it fail at the same point each time? If so, I'd say there's a problem with the hard disc. I can send you a tool that will analyze the crap out of the drive and find what's wrong with it (way better than windoze's chkdsk utility).

The BIOS update was a good move--it's possible the disc controller is at fault. Did you have to change BIOS settings when you went from one drive to two?

Anyhow, I'll send that program to you shortly.

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Geoff said about 16 hours later

Ok currently I am running a Stress test on the system. No crashes since the BIOS update...however I've been pretty much running off the boot CD. I will dry formatting the hard drive again when I get home to see if it crashes. If it does, I will try stressing the memory.

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GJ said about 18 hours later

Whatever you do, stay away from wet formatting of the hard drive. Trust me on that one.

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Geoff said about 21 hours later

wet formatting? What is that, throwing it in a lake?

I went to my power settings and noticed that it puts my HD's to sleep after 20 minutes. I turned it to never. We'll see how that works. I was still getting a crash during format after my BIOS update...perhaps my HD's go to sleep and never wake up. Doing another format test now...

Memory test yielded no errors. Quick HD test yielded no errors.

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Geoff said about 23 hours later

Ok so that seems to have fixed the format issue at least. The HD must not be waking up. Lets see if this fixes my totally random crashes.

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Geoff said 1 day later

Finally got a blue screen error and Windows picked up the problem. It is my ATI video driver for my AGP FireGL X1 Video card. Damn thing has given me driver problems since the first day I bought it. Unfortunately I am running the latest drivers. Looks like I need a new card. Doh!

Still doesn't tell me why I was randomly restarting in XP since it had been working for years without a problem. Perhaps a new update to Windows caused it...in any case I've read a few reviews from people online who experienced similar problems with this card in Vista.

Marc said about 5 hours later

Watched that on my iPhone. Probably could have loaded a little faster. :)

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GJ said about 5 hours later

Thanks for making me spew soda.

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Steve said about 8 hours later

That's awesome! Surely puts things into perspective. Well, sorta. Being out of work sucks almost as bad now as it did in the olden days.

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Geoff said about 10 hours later

You also have to remember how quickly things are expected of you. Back in the day there was no email or Internet. When a server goes down, every minute counts.

GJ said about 2 hours later

Called Steve...he's all set for now.

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Geoff said 1 day later

YOU'RE no fun.

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GJ said 1 day later

You're no English major.

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Geoff said 1 day later

Don't blame me, my spelling/grammar check should have picked that up.

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GJ said 1 day later

You have a grammar plug in for your web browser? Now THAT is funny. No spelling checker would have caught that, btw.

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Geoff said 1 day later

I'm not afraid to admit my English spelling and grammar suck. Our language could have been written better by Microsoft. I'm amazed anyone can speak it!

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GJ said 1 day later

Language isn't so hard. It's all in the details. Too bad English has so many of them.

Geoff said about 2 hours later

It's the Martian stronghold I tell you!

What else is there?  Comment away!

Geoff said 37 minutes later

I'm not even going to respond to that truce comment. I'll take it out on you in Ticket to Ride.

Second, Michelle is DYING to see Twilight, so she is definitely IN (and I'm definitely OUT :)

Cookies, do I hear cookies? Yes, cookies would be most excellent.

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Steve said about 1 hour later

I'll have Stocks and Bonds too, if anyone wants to try to play that game just for old time's sake.

GJ, do you still have a list of all the winners of the Cup? I found a place that will engrave it for us.

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GJ said about 2 hours later

I'll have to google it....heck, if marc's blog search worked...I think I posted it to the site once upon a time.

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Marc said about 3 hours later

I'm arriving this Saturday and leaving early next Sunday. Since our product shipped at IBM, we got the week off, boo yea!

Yes to cookies, I'm glad Laura knows nothing about Twilight and any board games work for me. Also, I don't know this Neal Peart you speak of. I know only of Neil Peart. You'll get to hear plenty of him as I have so much Rush on Rock Band.

GJ: The blog search should work great. Is it not working for you?

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Marc said about 3 hours later

BTW, Blog search found this for me: http://www.dragoniv.com/baumblog/2005/9/6/calling-all-memory-cells

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GJ said about 10 hours later

Yeah, there is one problem. Try getting to page 2 or later of any search. :)

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GJ said about 10 hours later

OK, unless anyone has any changes, here's the list of hockey winners. Guess what--I don't think we need to list runner ups or regular season winners...they don't do that on the Stanley Cup, do they? Nah, I didn't think so.

2007 Darcy (Neanderthals)
2006 Steve (forget what team name Steve used)
2005 GJ (Glenville Dragons)
2004 no season
2003 GJ (Dragons)
2002 Marc (Subzero)
2001 Geoff (RIT Headhunters)
2000 Darcy (Neanderthals)
1999 GJ (Dragons)

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Geoff said about 18 hours later

Oh yeah, I should be coming in later Wednesday evening. Marc, let me know when you want to Jam to the best rock band of all time, Rush.

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GJ said about 21 hours later

I'll be kicking Marc's ass in Wii Tennis by then, so I'm sure he'll be glad to join you.

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Geoff said about 22 hours later

Yeah, after which I will return home and beat both ya'll

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Kristen said 1 day later

I'll be home on Wednesday at some point, maybe by dinner. I'll be bringing Drew, sans crutches, which will be nice! We're going to stay at the microtel wed through friday, and head back into town saturday. I closed on my house last night so I'll be moving in on Sunday all day. Fun fun! Ahhh!
That being said, there will be zero cookies coming from me this year, unless I have time to make some at Mom's...although I already packed my recipie box...er.
I'm up for any games, although I don't know about this twilight movie...

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Kristen said 1 day later

Oh and ps. please no one get Drew talking about GM. I think Dad will end up saying no (or go to hell) when he asks to marry his daughter!!!

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Geoff said 1 day later

wait, WHEN he asks? I wasn't made aware of any engagements...

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GJ said 1 day later

Wait, it sounds like another topic Drew and I would agree on! There aren't all that many others!!! LOL!

As for Twilight...think of it as "Teenagers in Love....with fangs." Abby is hopping to see that one asap, and if I can find some relatives (poor suckers) that want to see it, they can all go together while I remember why I don't like Guitar Hero et.al.

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Kristen said 5 days later

It better be a "when"!

So I found this great game called Smart Ass. I thought it would fit our family perfect and it looks like fun! Tell me no one has found this gem yet...

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GJ said 5 days later

Nope, don't have it. Sounds like a loud game. Should be perfect!

GM is still in la-la land.  And that's numero uno why I don't want to fund any kind of bailout / loan / whatever for them--because we'd be throwing our money away.

Steve said about 11 hours later

Are you ready GJ? Are you really ready to start this?

30 mpg - how many people get it? Well, not you guys driving G8 GTs and supercharged Pontiac Grand Prixs (or me driving 5.7L Hemi powered Challenger - which gets 25 mpg highway, BTW). Normal people that drive normal cars do though. Fuel economy ratings are a joke, and in no way simulate what you actually see for fuel economy. The 4 cylinder Sebrings and Avengers are rated at 30 mpg highway. Everyone I know that has one reports they get 34-35 mpg highway, and 31-32 mpg average. I've spent a lot of time driving a Sebring convertible with a 2.7L V6 with just a simple 4 speed automatic transmission. I reliably get 30 mpg with that car. The Malibu and our Sebring and Avenger get better real world gas mileage than Toyota.

Hybrid trucks are a stupid idea? Really? No, Hybrid Honda Insights are a stupid idea. The Hybrid trucks get over 25% better city fuel economy compared to similarly powered trucks. So you can have your cake and eat it too. Sure, 25% of 16 mpg is only 4 mpg, but when you figure out how much fuel savings that really is per mile driven, it's a hell of a lot better than a small hybrid car that gets 36 mpg, compared to 32 mpg for it's normal car. The big vehicles that people WANT are what make the most sense for Hybridization.

We all know ethanol is stupid. Blame the government and the farming industry for pushing that so hard. I sure as heck don't like paying more for food because some idiot wants to put corn oil in his gas tank, get worse fuel economy, worse performance, and pay more for it (when you figure out the cost per mile driven, not the cost per gallon). We only brag about it because the government and the press and the farming industry have made it such a big deal, all the uninformed people in the nation think it's the best thing since sliced bread. So are we going to market to them? You bet.

Fuel cell vehicles - still WAY under development. Still just a dream. Good to see they continue studying them, but don't expect to see them for sale for 10+ years.

The Chevy Volt - if it actually comes to fruition, it WILL be awesome. I think it will come to fruition, the limiting factor is cost. Chrysler is working on a similar system, also targeting 40 mile round trips in electric mode only. And how's this for an idea? How about if companies start providing plug in parking spaces for employees? They swipe their card, the can measure the energy used to recharge their card, and they are charged for it. Now even you can drive 25 miles to work, driving like a maniac, plug in, then drive home, without ever once hearing that gas engine fire up. Want to know what's stupid? Toyota thinks the plug in hybrid only needs a 10 mile range in electric only. That's stupid. Sure, the Navy replaced this technology with nuclear technology. Think that we'll have nuclear powered cars running around anytime soon? I don't think so.

Remember this - the big three saved democracy about 65 years ago. Remember World War II? Who built all the planes, tanks, JEEPS? The big three did. We were there when our country needed us, now how about you guys being there when we need a little help? We are fighting for our lives now, not due to crappy cars (and I'll admit we have some, but we also have some really good ones), but due to the fact that few of our customers can get approved for credit now, and we can't even get loans from the commercial banking industry, as we normally would to whether these hard times.

I'm not saying the US auto industry hasn't made mistakes. They have. Huge ones even, like letting the UAW negotiate ridiculous contracts. However, are our mistakes even as bad as the banking industry, and the idiots who have all lost their houses because they took risky loans, or bought way beyond their means? And the government just GAVE them money. Again, we are asking for an INTEREST BEARING LOAN.

Maybe you should read up on the studies of what will happen if the Big 3 declare bankruptcy. And trust me, if one of them declares it, the other two have to, just to remain competitive. Here's what happens purely to tax income for the federal government based on income tax lost due to unemployed folks, unemployment compensation, and pension reimbursement - The federal government would lose over $160 Billion in 3 years. Guess who gets to foot that bill? You do, I do, all of us taxpayers do. Well, no, not me, as I'll be out of a job and collecting unemployment. So, do you want to loan me $25 billion now, or lose $160 billion by 2012?

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Steve said about 11 hours later

BTW, GJ, I think you're becoming a Republican....and I'm becoming a Democrat. I even voted for a few of them this year...

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GJ said about 13 hours later

Get this Steve...I've started reading the Economist. Haha...yes, I'm turning into a very conservative liberal. Go figure.

Let's say we give that $25B loan to them. What will they change to improve their situation? If the economy stays sucky, they will burn through that in only a matter of a few months...and then what? We give them another loan? Loans that never get paid back are grants, btw...which is why most folks refer to these as bailouts.

Oh, and I do know a bit about the auto industry. If I recall, I've been pointing to this collapse for the better part of a year. All it would take would be a nasty downturn in the economy, and presto--it happened. Wasn't my original theory, but it's been talked about in the financial arena for much of the past few years. I can't design a car, but I like 'em, and I pay a lot of attention to the industry for a computer geek.

I've read a fair amount about the bankruptcy options for the Big 3, but likely not from places like GMfactsandpropaganda.com...more like Motley Fool, WSJ, and various other financial blogs. As such, the opinion of the bankruptcy option varies quite a bit...and what you're representing above is what the auto companies are trying to sell (in other words, the worst-case argument).

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GJ said about 13 hours later

Oh, and I have a vendetta against the Volt, too. :) Simply, I think it's yet another sign that GM doesn't get it...or just is guilty of wishful thinking. If they can magically come up with a weather-impervious battery, and slap it into a car that magically evades the laws of friction and air resistance, I'll be thrilled. Surprised, for sure, but thrilled. However...I'm a realist...and while this car "sounds" good, it also smacks of "broken promises."

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Geoff said 1 day later

I still have yet to hear a good reason why we gave the banks all this money and not the auto industry. Hell, even I got some money for free. Supposedly the economy would collapse...it already seems like it has, but more detail please. I'd just like to know what "collapse" means to those bankers there who really did a bang up job. :)

And if Harry Reid is going to complain about the auto execs flying in their private jets to discuss the bailout, why doesn't he take a big long look at AIG. IMO, neither of them should get any money.

I gave GM $32G's in April and I took a nice loan from Chase to do it, I've made my contribution.

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GJ said 1 day later

They've done a piss poor job of keeping AIG in line--they're the poster boy for a bank gone wrong. Meanwhile, Paulson and the banks said the $700B was for buying up bad debt (dumb idea)...next, it was to buy up banks (dumber idea)...now, I'm not quite sure what it's for beyond lining the pockets of the assholes that caused the problem to begin with. The idea behind it was to unfreeze the credit market, which it really didn't do...it's still pretty gummed up. There was all this gloom and doom that the banking industry would topple, and the fact is, if the banks all start failing, we'll be back to barter in no time. :)

Of course, this makes the lawmakers ANGRY. So, they tell themselves, the NEXT group to ask for a bailout is going to get the ninth degree...and that was the automakers. Add to it that the automakers have been pretty headstrong (GM was up until very recently claiming that they were in NO danger of bankruptcy, when their balance sheets said otherwise for most of the past two years, all three have expresses feigned surprise at the upswing in fuel prices that wiped out their profitable SUV market, Cerebus has tried to claim that they did not intend to do a strip and flip, yet hired Mr. Strip and Flip Nardelli to head the operation...the list goes on and on). The end result--lawmakers are having a field day with these guys.

I think they might see the $25B as part of that package approved in September. Any more than that, and Congress will (rightfully) demand the heads of the big 2.8.

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Steve said 2 days later

GJ - you make a comment - "GM was up until very recently claiming that they were in NO danger of bankruptcy." That's very true. When people could still get a loan, they would still buy GM cars. The problem is, the people can't get the freaking loans. They want a new car, but they can't get a loan for one. It's not about the cars, it's about the loans. And until the consumers can get the loans, the automakers (all of 'em, not just the "Detroit 3"), are going to be in trouble. The loans are purely to help the auto industry stick around until the loan market comes back. If it never comes back, then we're doomed. If it comes back later than expected, then we'll be back to ask for more money.

So GM and the rest were not lying when they were saying they were not considering bankruptcy - they said that before the credit market dried up. When that happened, sales dropped industry wide - we're done to about 10 million cars a year - for the past 10 years we've been running at 16-17 million cars a year.

Gas prices didn't cause the big issue. It was the lack of credit for consumers. That will continue until credit becomes available, and once people aren't so freaking scared to spend some money. Until then, we're stuck.

So it all goes back to the freaking banks, those idiots that screwed up in the first place. And they get the reward from the government? They're the fools that gave crappy loans. They should be the ones going out of business. Instead, we're going to pay for their mistakes, some of us twice over (through my taxes and me losing my job).

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GJ said 2 days later

Wrong. GM's balance sheet has sucked for quite some time--that's why they've been selling off assets like there was no tomorrow (literally, as it may turn out). They're almost out of assets (buh bye Delco), which is why they are now begging for money. They've been losing money each quarter for how long again? It didn't just start with the credit freeze...but now that they're selling so many fewer cars, they're losing even MORE money each month.

Now, you and the automakers are fooling yourselves if you believe people are not buying cars solely because the credit markets are a little icy. If you haven't noticed, a lot of companies outside the auto industry are already laying off people, and others are cutting back on salaries and benefits. Most people have also lost of ton of dough in the stock market of late. So, for a lot of people, they suddenly realize that maybe stretching their transportation out a few more years isn't such a bad idea--especially if they're struggling to pay their bills as it is. The lack of credit isn't scaring people...it's the lack of income that has them freaked. Unfortunately, consumer confidence isn't that easy to restore once creamed like it has been the last six months.

The automakers benefited from the free-for-all credit market of the past 25 years...people were buying way above and beyond their means in not just houses, but cars, too. Those days of the Wild West of Credit are done for a long time. As such, the automakers need to take a realistic view of the market--and cut their productive capacity down considerably. 10 million cars a year may well be the new average mark--at least, for the next several years.

I didn't say GM was lying about not considering bankruptcy. They were lying (to us and to themselves) that they were not in need of a bankruptcy and not in need of massive restructuring to head off this crisis before it got this bad. Bankruptcy rumors have been floating around GM for the better part of two years...and they weren't unfounded.

So, give the automakers $25B. Yay. It won't fix the disease that plagues the domestics--just prolong the inevitable a while longer.

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Geoff said 3 days later

I still think the big three are getting the short end of the stick and that's partly why Steve, Dad, and employees of the big three are likely pissed off. We were so quick to bail out these banks with $700B with total disregard, and then piss all over GM (I say GM because they are getting the most heat from the Media and Congress) when they ask for 3% of that. I do realize bailing out every company that goes under isn't capitalism, but as Steve said, who was there helping us during WW2? Not AIG, not Circuit City.

If you think the big three shouldn't get $25B, then I want the Chinese's $700B back from the banks and nobody gets bailed out. Then the whole economy can crash and burn and we can start fresh. V3.0....the Ron Paul era.

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GJ said 4 days later

Actually, truth to be told, the government told the automakers to build war materials. It wasn't that the automakers came to the government. :) I find the revisionist view of that amusing, to say the least.

The banks getting $700B is by far the biggest sham job I've seen pulled in my lifetime. I'm all ears for how to undo that--fire away.

However, don't bet that $25B is where it will stop with the automakers. I think 10x is far more likely...and I think they'll end up failing utterly later. Better to fix them now, then let them fade away. So, I'm on board with helping, so long as they come up with a plan to reduce their footprint (liabilities and capacity) to reasonable levels appropriate to today's markets. It's still going to be an ugly time to be in the industry, but it's a necessary one to ensure our domestic auto manufacturers survive. By the same token, they absolutely need to fix trade imbalances and level the playing field. If the government fails to rectify that, we'll still come to the same bad ending to this story.

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Geoff said 5 days later

Well said.

Kristen said about 3 hours later

Is this a person who had a really horrible doomsday nightmare and then went to tell their psychiatrist and by the time he/she got there the dream was forgotten?

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GJ said about 4 hours later

Nightmare (or perhaps action flick dream...this is a guy, after all), and he feels he must share this with his wife/gf/roomie/whatever....but the dream slips away and by the time he starts relating it, all that's left are scraps that don't even make sense to him.

Back when I used to dream (for whatever reason, I don't remember my dreams anymore and haven't for a long time) this happened all the time. I'm sure Mom and Dad have some great stories about crazy nonsense I'd spout after a nap or a dreamy night of sleep.

Some of the best I still remember today. Think I decided to stop dreaming when I had the same dang dream every night for two weeks, and I ended up getting killed in the dream again and again. Kinda freaked me out, so I decided to have someone else get killed in the dream and viola, once done I never dreamed again.

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Marc said about 10 hours later

I don't even have a chance to tell anybody. I like GJ no longer dream...mostly because I don't sleep much, so I basically just pass out, go directly to REM, do not pass go. But whenever I do dream, I wake up, remember just bits and pieces for literally seconds and then it's completely gone.

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GJ said about 18 hours later

I get six hours most nights, and usually eight on the weekends. I don't even get snippets--AFAIK, it just isn't happening.